The American Film Co. - Discussion Comments Feed - Brig. Gen. Joseph Holt - His Role as Chief Prosecutor in the Military Tribunal http://www.theamericanfilmcompany.com/talk/discussion/brig-gen-joseph-holt---his-role-as-chief-prosecutor-in-the-military-tribunal/ The American Film Co. - Discussion Comments Feed - Brig. Gen. Joseph Holt - His Role as Chief Prosecutor in the Military Tribunal en-us Sat, 29 Apr 2017 11:04:43 -0400 info@americanfilmco.com Brig. Gen. Joseph Holt - His Role as Chief Prosecutor in the Military Tribunal http://www.theamericanfilmcompany.com/talk/discussion/brig-gen-joseph-holt---his-role-as-chief-prosecutor-in-the-military-tribunal/#comment-718 Please do not believe the old escape theories related to John Wilkes Booth. The Enid, Oklahoma story is just one of about a half-dozen that have him all over the globe. The Oklahoma version was made popular in the early-1900s by a Memphis lawyer named Finis Bates, who did more to screw up history than you can imagine. It has been perpetuated over the past forty years through the undying efforts of a man in Maryland, who even attempted to get the body of Booth exhumed. His efforts failed in civil court and in a special appeals court for lack of evidence. Your classmate's story is even wrong to the point of saying that someone else was executed in place of Booth. Four other conspirators were hanged for their involvement with Booth, but not one of them was a Booth look-alike. There are thousands of Lincoln assassination researchers and scholars around the world who have worked tirelessly to bring the true facts of the crime to public attention. It is time to start listening to them instead of theorists. Thu, 22 Mar 2012 20:03:56 -0400 http://www.theamericanfilmcompany.com/talk/discussion/brig-gen-joseph-holt---his-role-as-chief-prosecutor-in-the-military-tribunal/#comment-718 Brig. Gen. Joseph Holt - His Role as Chief Prosecutor in the Military Tribunal http://www.theamericanfilmcompany.com/talk/discussion/brig-gen-joseph-holt---his-role-as-chief-prosecutor-in-the-military-tribunal/#comment-716 Quick addendum to the story: About 30 years ago(give or take a few), I was in Oklahoma History class at the University of Tulsa. Our assignment was to come up with un unusual research paper regarding a little known part of Oklahoma history. We were encouraged to do this through unconventional means, like actual interviews and personal accounts if possible. I thought I probably had the most unusual report because mine was first hand accounts of rooster fighting and how much the underground enterprise affected the economy of the state. I was wrong. A fellow classmate by the name of Jana Boothe(not sure I spelled her name correctly) had family documents and photos regarding her great-great(don't know how many greats)uncle John. Apparently he actually escaped to Indian territory and resided in what is now Enid, Oklhoma where he died a natural death some years into his old age. Another was actually hanged in his place. She was quite convincing. And, of course,she would have no reason to WANT to be associated with John Wilkes Boothe if in fact she didn't have to. Her family had actually been protecting the shameful secret all these years. Sun, 11 Mar 2012 20:03:50 -0400 http://www.theamericanfilmcompany.com/talk/discussion/brig-gen-joseph-holt---his-role-as-chief-prosecutor-in-the-military-tribunal/#comment-716 Brig. Gen. Joseph Holt - His Role as Chief Prosecutor in the Military Tribunal http://www.theamericanfilmcompany.com/talk/discussion/brig-gen-joseph-holt---his-role-as-chief-prosecutor-in-the-military-tribunal/#comment-713 Mr. Beaven, I am director of the Surratt House Museum in Maryland and also friends with some lateral descendants of the Herolds. I would love to have you contact me. laurie.verge@pgparks.com Tue, 03 Jan 2012 19:01:10 -0500 http://www.theamericanfilmcompany.com/talk/discussion/brig-gen-joseph-holt---his-role-as-chief-prosecutor-in-the-military-tribunal/#comment-713 Brig. Gen. Joseph Holt - His Role as Chief Prosecutor in the Military Tribunal http://www.theamericanfilmcompany.com/talk/discussion/brig-gen-joseph-holt---his-role-as-chief-prosecutor-in-the-military-tribunal/#comment-712 I thoroughly enjoyed the presentation of "The Conspirator". It motivated me to study many websites, books and links to information that I would not have ever considered otherwise. The movie and the premise of The American Film Company has brilliantly accomplished their purpose to educate about little-known historical stories that were part of momentus events formative to the United States. Thank you, thank you for staying so close to the true events and true people! Thank you also for avoiding obvious screen-play embellishments that often twist or shade the truth of the actual circumstances and people. Robert Redford is a master director! Kevin Kline in a rare dramatic role was great as well as the rest of the cast! I am very impressed and I look eagerly forward to the next finished project!! Keep up the excellent work!! Wed, 28 Dec 2011 13:12:01 -0500 http://www.theamericanfilmcompany.com/talk/discussion/brig-gen-joseph-holt---his-role-as-chief-prosecutor-in-the-military-tribunal/#comment-712 Brig. Gen. Joseph Holt - His Role as Chief Prosecutor in the Military Tribunal http://www.theamericanfilmcompany.com/talk/discussion/brig-gen-joseph-holt---his-role-as-chief-prosecutor-in-the-military-tribunal/#comment-711 I have joined the discussion because I am a descendant of George Isaac Herold, first cousin to David E. Herold. I am very knowledgeable aabout the Heorld family both before and after the War Between the States. I appreciate Mr. Redford and the production team's careful use of historical settings. Mon, 26 Dec 2011 19:12:58 -0500 http://www.theamericanfilmcompany.com/talk/discussion/brig-gen-joseph-holt---his-role-as-chief-prosecutor-in-the-military-tribunal/#comment-711 Brig. Gen. Joseph Holt - His Role as Chief Prosecutor in the Military Tribunal http://www.theamericanfilmcompany.com/talk/discussion/brig-gen-joseph-holt---his-role-as-chief-prosecutor-in-the-military-tribunal/#comment-705 There is an excellent new book that was just released on Judge Advocate General Joseph Holt. Entitled Lincoln's Forgotten Ally, it is written by Dr. Elizabeth Leonard of Colby College Thu, 03 Nov 2011 18:11:25 -0400 http://www.theamericanfilmcompany.com/talk/discussion/brig-gen-joseph-holt---his-role-as-chief-prosecutor-in-the-military-tribunal/#comment-705 Brig. Gen. Joseph Holt - His Role as Chief Prosecutor in the Military Tribunal http://www.theamericanfilmcompany.com/talk/discussion/brig-gen-joseph-holt---his-role-as-chief-prosecutor-in-the-military-tribunal/#comment-678 I WAS VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE FILM. BEING AN AMERICAN HISTORY BUFF I REALLY ENJOYED IT. I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO THE FUTURE FILMS BY THE AMERICAN FILM COMPANY. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK. Tue, 04 Oct 2011 16:10:27 -0400 http://www.theamericanfilmcompany.com/talk/discussion/brig-gen-joseph-holt---his-role-as-chief-prosecutor-in-the-military-tribunal/#comment-678 Brig. Gen. Joseph Holt - His Role as Chief Prosecutor in the Military Tribunal http://www.theamericanfilmcompany.com/talk/discussion/brig-gen-joseph-holt---his-role-as-chief-prosecutor-in-the-military-tribunal/#comment-673 It amazes me how totally dysfunctual the Justice system was back in the "good old days". In order to get someone convicted of a crime you only needed to follow a few simple steps. 1-Pick your target. 2-gather any witnesses (best if they do not like the target to begin with) and bribe or coerce them by any means to achieve your goal. 3-Convince whatever jury happens to be there at that moment that your target is guilty of whatever crime you picked. Using said witnesses. Last but not least 4- Invite the entire neighborhood to a public execution (a popular form of entertainment back then) and you are set. Oh, it helps if what you were intending to do happens to be politically correct. Even if it is not. Thu, 29 Sep 2011 05:09:16 -0400 http://www.theamericanfilmcompany.com/talk/discussion/brig-gen-joseph-holt---his-role-as-chief-prosecutor-in-the-military-tribunal/#comment-673 Brig. Gen. Joseph Holt - His Role as Chief Prosecutor in the Military Tribunal http://www.theamericanfilmcompany.com/talk/discussion/brig-gen-joseph-holt---his-role-as-chief-prosecutor-in-the-military-tribunal/#comment-658 In response to the question as to whether or not Mrs. Surratt ever denied that she had told Lloyd to have the shooting irons ready: First, there were no outbursts or words uttered by any of the conspirators during the sessions of the court. At no time, were they asked to personally answer any question. Also remember that in 1865, no citizen of the United States, except those residing in Maine, had the right to testify in their own defense. That's a whole other story, but one that was actually supposed to protect a defendant from self-incrimination. We have no idea what Mrs. Surratt may have said in private to her lawyers (who actually only met with her in the courtroom when the court was not in session - not in the prison cell). She made two statements upon her arrest - one on April 17 and another on April 28. At no time did she admit to anything in those statements. Tue, 13 Sep 2011 21:09:05 -0400 http://www.theamericanfilmcompany.com/talk/discussion/brig-gen-joseph-holt---his-role-as-chief-prosecutor-in-the-military-tribunal/#comment-658 Brig. Gen. Joseph Holt - His Role as Chief Prosecutor in the Military Tribunal http://www.theamericanfilmcompany.com/talk/discussion/brig-gen-joseph-holt---his-role-as-chief-prosecutor-in-the-military-tribunal/#comment-623 Hi Colonel Borch, I just saw the film for the first time a few days ago. I have a question. Did Mary Surratt, as shown in the film in a courtroom outburst, actually deny that she had instructed Lloyd to have the firearms,etc., ready the night of the assasination? Did she at any point ever deny this? Thanks. Sun, 21 Aug 2011 18:08:47 -0400 http://www.theamericanfilmcompany.com/talk/discussion/brig-gen-joseph-holt---his-role-as-chief-prosecutor-in-the-military-tribunal/#comment-623 Brig. Gen. Joseph Holt - His Role as Chief Prosecutor in the Military Tribunal http://www.theamericanfilmcompany.com/talk/discussion/brig-gen-joseph-holt---his-role-as-chief-prosecutor-in-the-military-tribunal/#comment-617 Hi Col.Borch, While I respect your service to the country and expertise as a historian, you and I don’t agree on many things and I welcome your rebuttal. It seems to me that your comments are based more on opinion than fact. I’m not a historian, so please feel free to correct me where I am wrong. I have a list of disagreements which I posted here for your reply: http://uncpresscivilwar150.com/2011/05/elizabeth-d-leonard-a-historians-review-of-the-conspirator/ Since I have limited space here, I'll post one of my many questions: I have you seen you state on many occasions that Holt or Stanton hand-picked the military commission. Can you please clarify Andrew Johnson’s May 1 Order: It is ordered: 1st. That the Assistant Adjutant-General detail nine competent military officers to serve as a Commission for the trial of said parties… ** Special thanks to the wonderful folks at The American Film Company for bringing this little known story to the big screen. While I didn't agree with the implied portrayals of some of the characters, I found the film engaging and interesting and recommend others to see it. I would also recommend that they look further in to the story to draw their own conclusions. DVD - August 16 ! Thu, 11 Aug 2011 15:08:36 -0400 http://www.theamericanfilmcompany.com/talk/discussion/brig-gen-joseph-holt---his-role-as-chief-prosecutor-in-the-military-tribunal/#comment-617 Brig. Gen. Joseph Holt - His Role as Chief Prosecutor in the Military Tribunal http://www.theamericanfilmcompany.com/talk/discussion/brig-gen-joseph-holt---his-role-as-chief-prosecutor-in-the-military-tribunal/#comment-602 An interesting point no scholar has pointed out: since this was for all intents and purpuses a military tribunal as opposed to a civilian court certain rules and procedures did not apply-namely the 5th adn 6th amendments! Professors I would like to know what you think about those applications in this trial! Mon, 27 Jun 2011 16:06:17 -0400 http://www.theamericanfilmcompany.com/talk/discussion/brig-gen-joseph-holt---his-role-as-chief-prosecutor-in-the-military-tribunal/#comment-602 Brig. Gen. Joseph Holt - His Role as Chief Prosecutor in the Military Tribunal http://www.theamericanfilmcompany.com/talk/discussion/brig-gen-joseph-holt---his-role-as-chief-prosecutor-in-the-military-tribunal/#comment-601 Made or mad: credit or debit *he he he* Mon, 27 Jun 2011 16:06:04 -0400 http://www.theamericanfilmcompany.com/talk/discussion/brig-gen-joseph-holt---his-role-as-chief-prosecutor-in-the-military-tribunal/#comment-601 Brig. Gen. Joseph Holt - His Role as Chief Prosecutor in the Military Tribunal http://www.theamericanfilmcompany.com/talk/discussion/brig-gen-joseph-holt---his-role-as-chief-prosecutor-in-the-military-tribunal/#comment-593 Galesburgir, I agree the American Film Company should get made credit from the Press for the willingness to produce historical fiction! Mon, 27 Jun 2011 11:06:40 -0400 http://www.theamericanfilmcompany.com/talk/discussion/brig-gen-joseph-holt---his-role-as-chief-prosecutor-in-the-military-tribunal/#comment-593 Brig. Gen. Joseph Holt - His Role as Chief Prosecutor in the Military Tribunal http://www.theamericanfilmcompany.com/talk/discussion/brig-gen-joseph-holt---his-role-as-chief-prosecutor-in-the-military-tribunal/#comment-592 I can't wait to view this film and to follow the research on which the film is based. As an African-American "history mystery sleuth" and writer, I commend Robert Redford and the American Film Company for taking on this subject. I hope it encourages this film company & other filmmakers to dig deep into original sources to correct all of our misconceptions about American History. Hip, Hip, Hooray! Fri, 24 Jun 2011 14:06:17 -0400 http://www.theamericanfilmcompany.com/talk/discussion/brig-gen-joseph-holt---his-role-as-chief-prosecutor-in-the-military-tribunal/#comment-592 Brig. Gen. Joseph Holt - His Role as Chief Prosecutor in the Military Tribunal http://www.theamericanfilmcompany.com/talk/discussion/brig-gen-joseph-holt---his-role-as-chief-prosecutor-in-the-military-tribunal/#comment-588 General David Hunter who rose to fame for his stance on socially integrating the Army in South Carolina after Lincoln dismissed John C. Fremont for taking the charge in transforming or reconstructing the nation was President of the Tribunal to investigate the assasination-prior to the trial. This same General failed to instruct Holt as far as I am concerned who should be on trial! Of all people, I thought Hunter understood the machinations of the Confederacy in the assasination! Lincoln was not the first President to be Assasinated for his stance on the Slavery Question: Zachary Taylor was! Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation and Gettyburg Address got him killed as sure as wet follows rain! Furthermore, the Great Emancipators of Slaves were Fremont and Hunter-take it from a student of History. But Ole' Abe gets the glory! Wed, 22 Jun 2011 12:06:21 -0400 http://www.theamericanfilmcompany.com/talk/discussion/brig-gen-joseph-holt---his-role-as-chief-prosecutor-in-the-military-tribunal/#comment-588 Brig. Gen. Joseph Holt - His Role as Chief Prosecutor in the Military Tribunal http://www.theamericanfilmcompany.com/talk/discussion/brig-gen-joseph-holt---his-role-as-chief-prosecutor-in-the-military-tribunal/#comment-587 I General David Hunter who rose to fame for his stance on socially integrating the Army in South Carolina after Lincoln dismissed John C. Fremont for taking the charge in transforming or reconstructing the nation. This same General failed to instruct Holt as far as I am concerned who should be on trial. Of all people, I thought Hunter understood the machinations of the Confederacy in the assasination. Lincoln was not the first President to be Assasinated for his stance on the Slavery Question: Zachary Taylor was! Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation and Gettyburg Address got him killed as sure as wet follows rain! Wed, 22 Jun 2011 12:06:22 -0400 http://www.theamericanfilmcompany.com/talk/discussion/brig-gen-joseph-holt---his-role-as-chief-prosecutor-in-the-military-tribunal/#comment-587 Brig. Gen. Joseph Holt - His Role as Chief Prosecutor in the Military Tribunal http://www.theamericanfilmcompany.com/talk/discussion/brig-gen-joseph-holt---his-role-as-chief-prosecutor-in-the-military-tribunal/#comment-579 Good post and may this film intrigue more people about US history. One note on Dr. Mudd's involvement. If you have not read His Name is Still Mudd or Blood on the Moon by Edward Steers, you should. You will learn a lot more than what most have been told about Mudd. There is much evidence to indicate he was part of the kidnap conspiracy. Booth met with him more than once. Mudd introduced him to chief secret agent for the Confederacy in lower Maryland, Thomas Harbin. On December 23, 1864, Mudd traveled to Washington, introduced Booth to the Surratts, and got them involved in the kidnapping. There is no evidence to indicate that Mudd knew about the assassination until Booth and Herold showed up on his door on April 15. However, he surely recognized him and Booth bragged to Lloyd at Surratt's Tavern about killing Lincoln - why not tell someone you know. Mudd went to the village of Bryantown shortly after noon and learned what had happened from troops there. Did he report the strangers at his house? No, he went home and sent them on their way under the cover of approaching darkness. He didn't report the fugitives until the next day at church, when he asked his COUSIN to report to the troops. The authorities caught him in so many lies before the trial that Mudd's own lawyer later commented that his (Mudd's) own prevarications did him in. He got off lucky, he failed to hang by one vote. Tue, 07 Jun 2011 18:06:07 -0400 http://www.theamericanfilmcompany.com/talk/discussion/brig-gen-joseph-holt---his-role-as-chief-prosecutor-in-the-military-tribunal/#comment-579 Brig. Gen. Joseph Holt - His Role as Chief Prosecutor in the Military Tribunal http://www.theamericanfilmcompany.com/talk/discussion/brig-gen-joseph-holt---his-role-as-chief-prosecutor-in-the-military-tribunal/#comment-577 I believe one thing should be noted...at the time this happened the end of the War..there were so many bitter feelings...that anyone involved would have been judged very harsh...Our beloved President had been gunned down..the first..to have been killed in office, over 650,000 americans died in this war ...how could anyone involved in the war either north or south been without bitter feelings...I loved the movie and look forward to the Movie on Lincoln that Spielberg is producing for next year...One thing about the Civil War...everyone that studies, reads or just scans articles..will come away with their own opinions...which makes it the greatest debated war in history..there is no clear and defined way to examine this war...except to love the subject and history of our country! Tue, 07 Jun 2011 17:06:21 -0400 http://www.theamericanfilmcompany.com/talk/discussion/brig-gen-joseph-holt---his-role-as-chief-prosecutor-in-the-military-tribunal/#comment-577 Brig. Gen. Joseph Holt - His Role as Chief Prosecutor in the Military Tribunal http://www.theamericanfilmcompany.com/talk/discussion/brig-gen-joseph-holt---his-role-as-chief-prosecutor-in-the-military-tribunal/#comment-576 There are several concerns over the idea that Samuel Mudd was part of the plot to Kill Lincoln...to this date there is not sound evidence that he was. I believe he was a victim of circumstances...in the book regarding the capture of John Wilkes Booth..they imply that once Mudd become aware of what had happened...all he wanted was to Booth to leave... It must be remembered that Mudd was a Doctor and would have help anyone in need...the question is open ended and will remain so. As the movie attests and the storys shows many aspects of the plot were never really investigated because Staton was focused on those that were obviously guilty..I believe that Mary was also a victim of the circumstances...it really is not a moment of history to be proud of!!!! Tue, 07 Jun 2011 16:06:46 -0400 http://www.theamericanfilmcompany.com/talk/discussion/brig-gen-joseph-holt---his-role-as-chief-prosecutor-in-the-military-tribunal/#comment-576